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to start landing some haymakers biden and trump are in georgia today and we're going to zero in on the swing-state voters. they're both targeting with experts who know how to win them. plus no ceasefire, know hostage deal before the muslim holy month of ramadan and no relief to the humanitarian crisis. i'll speak with someone who said she's frustrated my who is being put out front to defend the us strategy on gaza. and the parents of tyre nichols, they were guests to president biden's 2023 his state of the union, when they want to meet with him after they say they were blind-sided by a vote in the tennessee state house. they will join me live i'm victor blackwell. let's start the show the presidential race is heading to georgia today. it will be the first weekend of

the 2020 camp 20 2024 campaign. i should say where president biden and former president trump are. again, they're party's presumptive nominees. so now it's time for the candidates to fine tune these messages and swing states that could decide the rematch. president biden is framing his accomplishment is bringing people together. he says his predecessors policies are divisive honesty, decency, fairness, equality, just treating people fairly. >> i really mean it. we don't always live up, but that that's the american creed. donald trump sees the story differently. he sees a story of resentment, revenge, retribution >> former president trump, after his super tuesday wins, claims. the opposite african american, asian american hispanic american, women, men, people with diplomas from the best schools in the world and

people that didn't graduate from high school, every single group was doing better than ever before. and it was a beautiful thing. our country was coming together i've got through experts with me to talk politics. camila moore is the chair of the georgia black republican council and howard franklin is the former chair of the georgia democratic party's african american caucus. he's now a strategist. welcome to your both kabilor. let me start with you. okay. so both of the likely nominees are here in the state georgia is important, especially because of the swing states. georgia has the largest percentage of black voters, 33% a presidential voters. what does he need to do? what is president trump need to do to win those voters here? >> i think he needs to run on what he did when he was president the last time. and he has to make the message relatable. in other words, the things that made him successful

in terms of the things that he did for the black community, he needs to hone in on that and say that what he will do if he's reelected, that he would do more because he didn't get a chance to have a second term is why all of those big items that he had on the table for black america, particular black georgians he has an opportunity at that point to say, i will be able to achieve at all. i gave you a little bit, i need another four more years to do the other things that ahead on the table. and as you know, the things that we talked about was that the economy for the black community, criminal justice reform, how he dealt with historical black colleges, and just the entrepreneurship and the deregulation. so those things to be his point, we'll come back to the point that he made in south carolina in just a moment. but for the former the current president's, his case here. >> yeah. i think continuing the progress, right. that's essentially what president biden has been campaigning on, finishing the job has been record job creation. there's so much effort to close the

racial wealth gap. so many, so many issues that this president has been able to be successful on to say it's really actually kind of incredible to see how quietly he's been able to make this progress. and unfortunately, what he needs to do is really communicate more of the progress at this country has made coming out of this recession or at least out of, out of the pandemic, et cetera. more communication on the accomplishments that have actually actually happened all across the country. >> and even with those accomplishments will come back to the poll numbers that show that he's trailing former president trump. you talked about the appeal that the former president should make to black voters in georgia and across the country? here's what he said to a group of black voters in south carolina >> the mug shot, we've all seen the mug shot. and you know who embraced it more than anybody else. the black population, it's incredible. you see black people walking around with my mug shot. you know, they do shirts and they sell them for $19 a piece it's pretty amazing. millions by the way,

millions of these things have been cells. so i don't know if i'm proud of it or not proud of it. >> and camila, you agree with that? you told ward is quote, the black community can really sympathize with what trump is going through because of our history say more. >> so let me just share a little bit about my background. i'm a government employee. most of my life has been in the black immunity. and so i live in a black community, so i talk among my community, and i think historically the criminal justice system has not been our friend in america are percentagewise. there's more black males and costs are rated more black women incarcerated. so where am i going with this? so we know that typically when someone doesn't or unable to afford a great attorney, they get a da and they get a plea. and so when this occurred, i'm getting calls from members of my community and they're laughing and said, you know what? glad he gets a feel, what we feel okay. >> but you're not suggesting that trump can afford a good attorney because tens of

millions of dollars actually of other people's money paid for. >> but i thought your question was why were black people saying what they were saying about his ability to be that situation was relatable in terms of does the criminal justice system can it because what it does two black american, it shows that it happens to someone that's a fluent, that it's white, that can be a mug shot. and those were the conversations from my community. now, you can agree or disagree, but those were the calls. those were the conversations that are getting from people going to vote for him because of it. >> oh, absolutely not. >> i think your question was my remark in reference to black people giving are having a discussion about the mug shot and the fact that he was indicted and what that how was that relatable? to black people in the black community >> so much so. and back here, i mean, i guess you can at least say this is an improvement on his outreach to black voters. may years ago, when he asked

what the hell have you got to lose but i think a lot of folks have already spoken out about this and you know whether or not you feel like it's maybe has some racist undertones. maybe if you see black voters, only seeing the criminal justice system as the first and foremost issue that they're concerned about. i would say that black voters are sophisticated. any other voters, and they are concerned about a whole range of issues. and i think we've seen over the course of last several years and this presidency really, president biden speaking out and making progress on a whole range of issues that matter to black vote, even with all of that, president biden is still trailing former president trump on the latest poll by four points outside of the margin of error. every poll i've seen across the state shows him trailing >> why, why that's a great question. i mean, i think a number of things contribute to it. i've one of the biggest ones is what i mentioned earlier president biden has really set to the work of actually improving his country, pulling us out of the pandemic working on a number mirror, he had a big issues and not it

really done. one of the things that we oftentimes see democrats do, which is putting your head down and doing the work and not talking a whole lot about it. he definitely has to get out there and communicate to voters on, again, the myriad of issues that he is really produced. >> message. it's just that he hasn't said it. i don't think it's just the message, but enough. i don't say it's just a message. i think that not slowly saying it, but then showing through surrogacy, through his own active campaigning, i think again, when you're in the presidency, you think because you're on television, or you're cutting ribbons, et cetera, that folks are getting the message directly. i don't think they are or i don't think they have at the same vibration, they need to. and i think today we'll be a great testament to that point with both the former president and president biden here in georgia to see exactly what kind of crowds they draw, what kind of excitement they can bring in a statement of, i just say the state of the union. we really saw an energetic biden if he can show, if you could keep that same energies again, people like to say, i think people will respond to. all right, how are franklin camila, more i've got a rapid there. thank you so much and we will of course, we'll watch both events here in rome, georgia, and atlanta

as the president, former president come here meet with the georgia voters. thank you so much. thank you >> another story, voters are watching closely the ceasefire and hostage deal unlikely to happen before the start of ramadan tomorrow evening, the us has pushed for a deal before ramadan, israel has threatened a ground offensive in rafah, if there is not a deal by the start of the muslim holy month, the biden administration insists that israel has already accepted the broad terms of a six-week pause and that hamas is holding out. but critics accused the white house of calling for a ceasefire while enabling israel's war efforts in the washington post, our next guest writes this, the biden administration has deployed black women as both velvet gloves and iron fist in respect to israel's latest assault on gaza. at both enforcing us complicity in this atrocity and attempting to soften its appearance joining me now is karen a columnist for the washington post. thank you so much for being with me

before we get to the most recent column focus on the vice president and the us ambassador to the united nations. i want your reaction to now these announcements of a port being built to bring in aid into gaza. this now eric aid corridor and the airdrops your reaction to this aid as of late from the us and other countries yeah. >> i think ultimately it doesn't answer or help the main question are the main problem, right? which is the us supplying the bombs that are being dropped on gaza? >> and >> many people already who criticized the air drops and all that. many have questioned whether or not it is really possible and really true that the us, the world's premier superpower, can really have a temporary military presence anywhere. of course, the biden

administration has said that there will not be troops on the ground, but it still leaves open questions of yes, having this port that opens, how will it still reach inland? the people who needed the most? we've seen all the footage of protesters, israeli protesters, again, letting aid trucks by ground go into the areas where it is needed. and we're seeing these polls of just the resistance from israel to letting humanitarian aid reach where it is needed the most let me ask you about your latest column in which you call out the use of the vice president, kamala harris >> and the us ambassador to the united nations, linda thomas greenfield, as quote, the faces of america's ugly gaza policy. you write about the vice president. she was not the face of biden's week yes. then she was the face of continued us

cruelty toward palestinians with a spoonful of hashtag, black girl magic to make the poison go down. a little easier? or is it your suggestion here is make a plane for us. you believe this administration is putting black women forward because they they are black women to sell this policy >> i >> think that >> when this administration first came on, i think a huge part of the appeal of the biden administration has been obviously the connection to black voters through the vice president being vice president to obama hamas, with kamala harris, we heard a whole lot about the first black women, women being vice president. i do think the president, vice president, excuse me, giving remarks about calling for only a temporary ceasefire when people have been asking him particularly black people, we saw 1,000 black pastors asking

for a permanent ceasefire to juxtapose. i do think it was a deliberate framing to juxtapose that with the anniversary of bloody sunday in which black civil rights protesters are marching against the racial apartheid or my remarks for cheney against american state brutality. >> in order to >> do nothing with stopping the bombing, with stopping the oppression frankly, of palestinians while juxtaposing that with black american civil rights struggle, i saw that as pretty darkly cynical. do vice president didn't come out, harris ambassador linda thomas greenfield, who voted twice at the un against ceasefires. yes, i think that they are doing their job, but honestly, a lot of us black women, we've been in a group chats. we've been talking about how deeply, almost painful. i think it feels to see that while white men are still making these

decisions, it's often black. women's faces being used to work to sell this house. >> the vice president or linda thomas-greenfield, of whom you say in the eyes of the world, green for my colin powell is a black face providing cover for america's direct and indirect brutality and the arab world how were they any more the face of this, then the secretary of state antony blinken, who has been traveling all over the world, then even the defense secretary lloyd austin, a black man. why why would you say that they are the faces? is this more than the other members of the administration? >> i think we can say even from reports, i think there's difference between faces and difference between people who are actually calling the shots and making actual let's say very, very consequential policy decisions we can i think again,

for me, what really struck me was the optics of the vice president, again using the blacks are liberation, protest, struggle right against apartheid and oppression here visa. and i think is a very deliberate choice and so to me, i think that's, that's what hurts me and not just stopped, but again, we're looking at a broad based, not just black americans, not just air of americans, but we're looking at a broad base of democratic voters deeply unhappy with the biden administration's gaza policy let's see, and it just it doesn't cut it anymore. hashtag representation matters, just doesn't cut it anymore. and we're looking for a broad change in policy and approach. >> all right. >> kara tia. thank you so much for being with me. coming up. we are live in haiti. the violence there is getting worse. you're going to meet a haitian american woman caring for seven killed babies in her

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to get back into his country since leaving last week for kenya, where he secured a multinational mission to help restore it. for security >> corinne, >> you lease is in haiti right now, living through this, she's a haitian american who works with her father's foundation in port-au-prince a korean. thank you for being with me first. i just want to set the table here. you are not only working for your father's foundation you have taken over the hospital. and how many babies do you have living with you, your king for in your home >> yes, it will work is 32 years-old. i'm taking over pledging 32 years of my own. i have 17 children with ii 17 children. you're caring for their as all of this is happening around you, we see the video of the shootouts in the streets, the tires burning. is that representative of what's happening on a daily basis? walk us through what's happening around you there near port-au-prince?

>> unfortunately, it is a representation of what's happening on a daily basis and i personally have not been out in about we don't expose ourself on this. we have to, but it is barricades everywhere to communities who can protect themselves. you see broken down cars blocking entrances. most neighbors because everyone weigh in when we out our staff who expose themselves to and from work every day, they have to go through the barricades, sometimes on their way home, they're caught in the crossfire. as you see with the police officers positioning themselves to fight against gang. so tires burning barricades everywhere. so it is unfortunately true in a daily occurrence, how do you get the supplies and the staff to help you if they have to get through that supplies have been difficult as of late, our ports have been shut down for several, several days now and to get our staff safely to and from work, we have an employee blessed that we that we

transport them through. but unfortunately, sometimes he can't make it all the way to the hospital. they stop halfway and then the catch it's motorcycles when they can to make it to work. but ensuring their safety has been more and more difficult as of late, i've been following some of your alcohol that reporting on social media on your page and you've got an entry recently called dear diary and you're right, this just heard my neighbors screaming. someone center video of the shootings near the spirit that just happened. and she saw a father and gun down. i can hear lots of cars honking and driving faster to get in. an employee just called saying she barely made it waiting to hear from the rest of the staff if they made it home curfew starts in 31 minutes are you afraid what is what are you feeling in this time >> we are scared. >> i >> don't want to use the word afraid and entertain the thought of fear. once you let fear takeover, rationality

takes the aim is gone. so we are scared once you leave home with her family and friends leave home, you're always on high alert, but uncertainty is the biggest feeling. every time you step out, you do not know if you or your loved ones are your personnel will make it home so uncertain. >> and it's just a fight of faith. you have to be faithful i'm on a mission that god sent me on this mission. and my time is not here yet, so you just aware of the risk you take the necessary precautions, but i can entertain any extra thought of fear and dying in anything else. my time is already written. >> we can floyd and you have not pertain the idea of leaving haiti no no no no no >> leaving one is difficult is what the haitian population, especially the people that we serve the communities that we serve and see disarray. they're used, they're used to people with good intentions that have been in with non-profits existing law. but when things get tough and we turn our backs on them. so my father has been

here for 32 years. he's been through unimaginable the times as well. unfortunately, during my 32 year journey, this is part of my story. he's here, i'm here. he made it through. i will make it through. i will not entertain the thought of leaving other than getting supplies, et cetera, curried you leafs. >> thank you for your time and thank you for the work you're doing not only for those 17 babies that are with you, newborn to four, but for the entire community here, sir. thank you so much. >> coming up >> to parents of tyre nichols joined me. they want to meet with president biden, why they feel their fight for police reform after the death of their son is being undermined in tennessee mean you then should do you keep your head hill just like momtaz, but you've seen color purple now streaming exclusively on max >> can riva support your brain health >> know, janet, hey, eddie,

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statehouse this week would essentially cancel that out. tyre's parents rowvaughn and rodney wells are with us now. thank you for your time. and when i say minor traffic infractions, we're talking broken taillights license plate in the back window instead of the bumper? this tennessee bill would make it unlawful for local municipalities to make their own laws that would override state laws. after this bill passed, what rowvaughn did that feel like that this could undermine the local law named for your son >> it was actually i felt like it was just kicking the base really. >> we were >> promised that the bill would not go through at that time. lee would give him wire that the bill wouldn't go through. and they put it through the

representative, john gillespie, who was the sponsor of this, you were there the capital on monday. you were told that you would not come back to a vote without you there and then you return to your home and memphis and it was passed without you being there? >> yes. what would be the impact >> on on people in memphis? do you think that this would make people less safe if this goes through that there would be more interactions like the one that involved your son? >> well. i feel like those pretextual stops i just a smokescreen to have class on traffic stops and other traffic stops are dealt with differently so one else has a broken tail light. most likely the police officer would pull

them over that they know that they had a broken tail light and probably would send them on their way however, when it's someone up a black or brown person, were normally being spoken to how rats in a demeanor way and it just seems like the traffic stops are different. so for them to undermine with the people of memphis, did it was just like a kicking the face. >> right now. >> it doesn't make sense. >> i apologize for interrupting you there. the state rep. again, john gillespie, who sponsored this in the tennessee state house, says that this would make the tyre nichols driving equality act in memphis would make people in memphis less safe than it would

essentially tie the hands of local law enforcement. he told a local television station there, what do you say to that? >> i say that he lives in a different community, then we have so for us the reason why we passed it was because of our the harassment that we were getting and in our community >> so you know it's like apples and oranges. you know, it's just like where president biden said last year when his kids go, wow, here we have to give them the speech but when, our kids go over to go out to come home safely, we have to give him that speech, you know, whenever you get pulled over as yes or no, sir? obey all commands >> slow

>> influential neighborhood, and bartlett. >> and >> you don't have to deal with stuff that goes on basically down in the hood. >> provide you you want to meet with president biden. what do you want out of that meeting? >> i want him to let the people know that they are working on police reform. they are too many black and brown. me, any women being murdered by police officers? when this happened to us last year we have met so many different people. some of their some of them we've never heard of so we need to get something done because this is getting out of control. i've never thought in 1 million years that i will be sitting here speaking on our son's death. because as we all know, and if he saw the video, our

son was very polite. >> i >> think he followed all the rules, yet still he's still got beaten and he died >> need >> to do something and we need to make these police officers accountable. >> rowvaughn and rodney wells. thank you for your time this morning. and let us know if you hear from the white house in this effort to sit down and speak for the president. thank you. ahead of his visit to atlanta, president biden is touting endorsements from political groups representing black latino, and asian-american community a lawmaker representing the district. he will visit today, joins us next taiwan unfinished >> business tomorrow at eight on cnn >> what's considered normal for your cat is interesting

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having this conversation, victor, because what people need to realize the long time between now and november, there was a fox news poll. >> but >> between now and november, what we know is that we have to continue to have the conversation georgians have been counted out before when it comes to the president sheila elections, when we flip the state in 2020, we won for a democrat for the first time in 28 years. so we understand that there's a lot of work that goes into this. nothing is given. we're not a blue state, we're not a red state where periwinkle, so we have work to do and we have to keep having that conversation. >> that's the first time i've heard a state described his carry weight not purple, but i accept that i like very much. >> so we've got >> two blue yeah. so >> we've got the georgia primary coming up on tuesday and there is an effort. of course, the president biden is going to win the primary here in georgia within through ziyad's him because georgia voters are ready. >> but there is also this movement we saw 100,000 isn't votes that the uncommitted campaign in michigan got there is something similar

uncommitted, non-committed is not an option here, but there is a campaign here amongst progressives in this state led by the first palestinian american legislator in georgia. the hashtag leave it blank, movement or request for people to get the democratic ballot and leave it blank. your concerns about that. >> so i don't really have concerns about that. primaries are about making sure that you have your party standards brought to the table. and we're having a conversation. we're having a conversation with our primary electorate. and what we know is that people are excited about president biden coming off that state of the union address. what i heard was a man of compassion a man who is looking at the humanity in the situation. we're increasing the humanitarian aid that's going into gaza right now, making sure that we are addressing the needs at hand. we all have seen the devastation that has occurred that no way relinquishes what we are standing with our ally in israel. but we have to address what is happening on the ground and the loss of lives. and that's exactly what our president is doing. and so

as the palestinian american state representative who is leading this charge, she has every right to do so. we need to hear from all of our voters in this process. and on tuesday, georgia democrats will show up in force within fuzi asm to support our president. he's going to be here today. we're going to have lots of people here to rally him to that victory. >> some of your fellow democratic congress members, their caucus members there during the state of the union, they weren't rude enough to shout at the president like marjorie taylor greene did that while he was speaking, but they did hold up signs. let's play some of this. these are some of the represents and as we have representative, omar, representative pressley, representative to leave calling for a lasting ceasefire and stop aiding the idf. is it time to call for the president to call for a permanent ceasefire? >> so what president biden has said is that he wants a ceasefire. we're starting with at least six weeks, but we have to address the issue at hand. hamas is a terrorist organization and we don't want

anyone living in fear under the reign of the terrorist organization. and so president biden has called for a ceasefire for at least six weeks. and what we're looking for is left lasting peace in the region. we have to bring stability to the region and we can't do that unless we address the root cause. and that is terrorism in the region. >> there are some who say that the aid that's even going in now, dropping the aden or this maritime aid corridor, it's just too little too late from the us if they really cared about the people of gaza, this would have happened months ago, not five months in well, president biden also is not in charge of israel. they have their own leadership and what we are doing is leading with the compassion that we have known him to do. and so right now, we can't change what has happened in the past, but what we're doing is moving forward an increase in humanitarian aid on the ground that is so critical because we cannot stand by and watch the famine, the dehydration, and just the destruction of people in this region. and so president biden is stepping up and leading.

>> the president was criticized in this exchange with marjorie taylor greene about referring to the suspect in the killing of laken riley referring to him as an illegal here's what he said on the tarmac the next day, after you had some time to think about the use of that work >> using the word illegal to describe immigrants last night, sir? >> oh probably. i don't regret >> technically, he's not supposed to be >> i don't regret >> technically he's not supposed to be here. you satisfied with that answer, are you comfortable with the president referring to anyone as an illegal so i don't think people are illegal. their actions might be illegal, not the word choice. so that would have used, but what we know is that republicans have politicized this. we had a border deal on the table, a bipartisan deal that was negotiated by republicans and they pulled away because they're afraid of donald trump. donald trump is the head of their party. this election is about a contrast. and today in the state of georgia, who

have both of our candidates that the head of our tickets right here laying out that contrast. and what i know is i need a leader who is compassionate, who can lead the world. and that is president joe biden. he is shown as time and time again. and what donald trump has shown us, he is not even fit to serve in this office. he has 91 indictments looming over his head, but yet we have a republican party who continues to couto to him and they stepped away from a deal that they negotiated, a deal that would keep us all more safe, secure, our borders, get more people down to make sure that we can get people through the asylum process, increasing the judges that we have to move people through the process. but yet they walked away from their own deal because they're afraid it of donald trump. >> and even in the context of everything you said, donald trump still eight points ahead here in georgia, as you say, eight months until the general lot of time and a lot of work to do. thank you very much. congresswoman williams are coming up. cnn sits down with the star of tiktok series. people just cannot stop

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to the fact that one of the songs from the movie is nominated and i believe that's the first native american nominated for that song. that scott george >> and he's going to be >> performing with singers from the osage nation. so it's a really proud moment for native americans yes, there's going to be a fantastic moment on the broadcast. let's talk about this obsession. recent tiza, and i gotta admit i'm late to this. i'm late to i know i know there's so many people who are just enveloped and just obsessed with this tells about really obsessed. >> so risa tiza is a woman who has taken when she says was a horrible marriage in which she found out that her husband was not who he told her he was, and she turned it into ten-minute tiktok's. right. so she had initially 50 episodes of this and when i tell you that it was so engaging that it pulled people and i mean, this was like netflix 400 million views across those 50 videos, so many hundreds of millions of views she's now completely

recognizable. she's been on a bit of a whirlwind tour and talking to people about it because she is the new star of the moment. >> yeah. and you spoke with it? i did talk to her. she was it was engaging, but i got to say, let's let's play some of that what do you see is the next thing for you? >> so for me, i would really like to take this story to a bigger platform, tiktok is huge and i acknowledge that because my god, this is blown up. but it can go even bigger. what do i mean by that? it can be books, mean publishing, television, movie there are a lot of people in this world who were going through something similar or even worse than what i went through. >> if >> this story can help them and if a bigger platform will help them. i wanted to take it to a bigger platform. >> so relatable, that's what i think really pulled people in. lots of people can relate to

dating disasters, relate to getting there heart broken relate to she says, you know, he lied to her. there's a lot there. they're layers there. and i think it's not just that she was so relatable well, i think it's also the way she told it. like she's such a good storyteller. and i said to her, you're so incredibly poise, which by the way is one of the reason why some people think it didn't actually happen. yeah, i was able to talk to one of the realtors that she mentions in her story. she talks about a particular realtors you actually mentioned more than one, but this woman is a local woman, amber still and she gave her permission to share her name and her image. and she said to me the part of the story that she told about her absolutely didn't happen. absolutely. chunk got to find this now. >> and wisely it's 50 episodes. lisa france, always good to have you and thank you. good to be here. thanks so much. and we'll be right back >> we've experienced unprecedented polarization. what's the answer? my question do you think you're about to get indicted >> i don't agree. i look at all

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